USB Connectivity

FDF is committed to continual product innovation. Our advanced computer consoles and performance monitors provide a motivational platform from which to improve your fitness and interact with peers via web-racing software and applications.

FDF ergometer models with USB connectivity enable you to connect your training sessions to your personal Windows PC or Laptop via standard USB cable.

Get Connected and Train Harder and Stronger

USB Device Driver for Windows

To connect your FDF Console or IPM to a host PC or Laptop download the device driver.

Device Driver Download Page (32 bit and 64 bit versions for Windows)

USB Device Driver Update

Use this link to update your Driver Software 

 

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    Ivo Verhaar

    Afaik there are people using a pm5 on a rowperfect. But i think sensor placement was a thingie. And i think apples tomatoes comparison.
    WaterRower has an interface for iPhone About 250 euro. But bear in mind that fdf uses adjustable resistance which raises the fruit basket issues.
    Just a tip there are usb to network adapters which in sense gives a tablet wireless usb.
    And if fdf new computer is capable of adjusting the water level not just Reading the lever position i completely understand why you can not simply replace the computer.
    And i hope more fitness like programs.
    FDF care to share a Roadmap for delivery on this? And maybe lift the tarp a bit on what to expect?
    Might get a used Rower to bridge the gap or wait if it is soon.

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    Darren Bullock

    mac /apple support please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

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    gmcoates

    I am going to try running Win 10 IoT on a raspberry pi and connecting that. I will use Microsoft Remote Desktop on any device to see the data etc.  I will let you know how well this works.

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    Dma

    Since we got the data out of the USB port, it is much easier to send this data to pc or mobile via cable, wifi or even bluetooth than attaching another vendor's console. It's even easier to build a console than reverse calibrate another product.

    Hooking a wifi or bluetooth device can easily end up to a DIY FDF "add-on". I will look on that but I think we should first focus on building a standalone app which works on all platforms with a USB cable. Then the sky is the limit :-)

    Since you are willing to contribute with the javascript stuff I will be able to focus on adding a WiFi/Bluetooth device on the console.

    Let's take the details on Github and keep this post updated of our results.

    Greetings!

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    Eric Rousse

    I too want something more usuable on a Android device for exemple. even if it requires me to buy an external transciever or something.

     

    I'm even considering to buy a PM5 Computer from concept2 and plug it in on my First Degree. they seem to have more support and better training program on the small device itself.

     Anyway if anyone has experience with it, it would be fun to share your experience on it.

     

    Dma, will continue to follow this thread really interested about what you come up with.

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    Byron Frenchie

    Ok...thank...found one in the junk closet!

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    Dma

    Hi Geoff,

    unfortunately I didn't have any progress due to lack of time and the fact that I was moving a bit out of my terrain. The good thing is that I have done most of the Linux part for reading the device, send the data to my server and present them with Grafana. The next step was sending the data over WiFi instead of using the cable connection. That was enough for me. I did give a bit of time in developing a universal electron App for presenting the data but I did nothing much with it.

    You can find the software for reading the device and sending the stats to InfluxDB in https://github.com/dmamalis/apollopro

    You can find the beginning of the electron project in
    https://github.com/dmamalis/apollopro_desktop

    It would be a motive for me too if someone could put some effort on it.

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    Dma

    @gmcoates if you are still on a plan to use a raspberry to read your rower you can do it with about 10 lines of python :-D
    If you do that the sky is the limit.
    Store your data to database, make grafs, stream to mobile etc. I am already building this. Would you like o contribute?

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    Arnaldo Brenner

    Hi evreybody, I have a MAC and just installed the software under a VM Virtual machine running windows 7 and It works! I still have to try USB connectivity but it should also have to work... lwill let you know...

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    Dma
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    Eric Rousse

    Hello Dma,

     

    I'm not a windows perso anyway. :) I already have nodejs installed on my linux machine. But I'm not a big developper, but I know my ways around javascript and stuff like that. ;)

     

    you can send any info to my email ericrousse at gmail . com.

    Thanks!

    Thanks!

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    Niklas Speich Hegnelt

    Could we open a gitter channel for this?

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    Byron Frenchie

    Hi Dma.....I'm new to rowing machines. I purchased the Apollo Pro ll and love it. How can I know if the computer monitor is accurate? How do I know if its off and needs to be calibrated? Thanks

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    Byron Frenchie

    DMA.....I got your message before the delete.  I've had my Apollo Pro 2  for about two weeks and have not had a chance to hook up the computer via USB as of yet. Are you guys saying the USB to computer doesn't work? Please advise because we all know this site isn't monitored.

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    Skye Gilligan

    Dear FDF customers, we appreciate your concerns about the current software limitations. From a manufacturing perspective, we are developing and releasing Bluetooth monitors and a custom FDF fitness app in 2018, along with many other new products. This monitor will not be transferable to current models.

    Regarding the connectivity with MAC, it is the responsibility of the retailer to communicate capabilities and answer your questions at the point of sale. In the future it is anticipated that Bluetooth connectivity will replace any need for software and this is our focus. We are continually investing in R&D and will update you when we have news of further software developments.

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    Dma

    Dear Chris, unfortunately both the rower and your mobile phone are USB devices and can only connect to 'USB hosts' aka a pc. The same way you can't connect a tablet to smart phone. That said, wireless is the only way to connect this to your phone. I promise to do my best to help you out but keep in mind that this is a very low priority project for me :-)

    Dear Byron, I am afraid you can't really. What I observed is that strokes with different power may give you the same distance in meters. For example pulling with 35W will "move" you for 5m. Then pull again with eg 25W and you will see the same distance. It's just not THAT accurate.There seems to be another "glitch" regarding the sampling rate of the sensor but I would really have to test this in detail.

    Don't get me wrong. It is an amazing device with a bit outdated USB interface and support. Apart from that I am totally satisfied and I would love to fix a couple of USB issues at my spare time :-)

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    matt squire

    still waiting for mac support...

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    Dma

    I am saying it is working perfectly on my Windows machine BUT the application is oldfashioned, bad looking and overall a disaster!

    So, I decided to ask support for..well..support...but before they answer I managed to read out the data from the USB and produce my own grafs.

    I am doing this in Linux which means that it definitely works for Mac.

    Currently, my solution is supr enjoyable but it is not to be shared with non technical people. I hope to find some time and make it installable on other machines but I really can't promise that.



    Behold my test workout where you can see some randomly picked data like Spm Watt and TimeTo500m. If you have an eye for stats you can see me speeding up in the last 100m. :-)

    One of the nex steps is to pass all that to a microcontroller, eg arduino, glue it on the back of the console and have the data sent over WiFi/Bluetooth so that I don't have to keep the Rower hooked to a laptop.

    I am going to open source this. If one can find a developer to make it installable to Windows and Mac then we will have the first community built app for FDF rowers :-)

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    Dma

    Sounds like a plan. I will add some finishing touchs and I will send you a github link. I hope we can make smething for our fellow FDF users :-)

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    Byron Frenchie

    Thank you, Dma.  I'm not going to really worry about it then. I enjoy rowing and am getting better each day as I practice the correct technics. I really don't need it to be all that accurate. Thanks anyways. Have a great weekend.

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    Geoff T

    @Dma - It looks like it's been a couple of months since you posted, so I don't know whether you're still around, but I'm a Mac- and Linux-using software developer, and I'd be keen to help out with building something for people to get more out of their rowers :)

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    gmcoates

    So whats the ETA for Mac/iOS/Android support?

    The near future is just so vague you could mean anything.  Also you used that term back in August 2017 and no sign so that was probably just a lie to keep this thread quiet.

    This time when you respond give and indication, maybe Quarter 4 2018 or tell us that its not happening.

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    Dma

    Dear Skye,

    that,s great news...however, since the new monitors will not be transferable, this is good news only for new customers. :-|

    Regarding the support, I really don't think that the point of sale know what are the first three bytes of the 29 byte data message communicated over the Serial Port when your device is connected to a PC...

    Would FDF consider sharing a bit more info so that we can built our own software?

     

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    Brad P

    I’m on board too to get something developed. Much needed!

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    Byron Frenchie

    Eric Rousse, is it possible to stick a PM5 Computer form COncept2 on a first degree machine?

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    Joan roig

    Mac or app suport please!!!

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    Tom Sandham

    Update on MAC version , poor sales when not informed that it will not work on a Mac !!!!!

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    Chris

    Hello Dma,

    Some android devices can work in host mode and concept appear to have been able to make use of this or am I missing something:

    http://www.concept2.com.au/indoor-rowers/accessories/android-connection-kit

    http://www.concept2.com.au/service/software/ergdata/android-requirements

    However, I realise that this would not be compatible with a lot of phones which is why I was originally suggesting the use of a bluetooth/ant+ cadence meter. From what I can see the only sensor is the one that I have shown in the photo, do you know if this is correct? If it is then the FDF computer is just using the number of rotations within time periods to calculate values for each of the outputs. If you were able to extract the raw rotation data and the FDF computer calculated data for each of the provided outputs wouldn't we be able to reverse engineer the calculations used. Obviously the calculations would differ for each resistance setting and would change depending on the rowing rate which FDF does not appear to have done well anyway. 

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    Niklas Speich Hegnelt

    For anyone who's interested, I've started a project using electron + angular 6 + typescript at https://github.com/phl3x0r/electron-rower 

    Please feel free to contribute and let's make a killer rowing app together!

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